H.W. Brands, a historian and author of "America First: Roosevelt vs. Lindbergh in the Shadow of War," delves into America's historical isolationism before World War II. He highlights the influential debate between Roosevelt and Lindbergh, discussing Lindbergh's arguments for staying out of foreign conflicts. Brands examines how public sentiment shaped foreign policy and reflects on today's political divides. He also makes connections to Trump's America First approach, exploring how past debates influence current foreign policy discussions.
The podcast explores America's historical inclination towards isolationism prior to World War II, highlighting the debate surrounding foreign entanglements and public sentiment.
It discusses the implications of Trump's 'America First' policy, challenging international commitments and echoing past arguments for prioritizing national interests over global involvement.
Deep dives
The Tradition of American Isolationism
The discussion revolves around America's historical context of avoiding foreign entanglements, particularly prior to World War II. For over a century, from the 1790s to the 1910s, the U.S. successfully refrained from involvement in European conflicts. During the 1930s, public sentiment increasingly favored isolationism, leading to congressional neutrality laws designed to keep the U.S. from being drawn into another war. This cautious stance was influenced by the prevailing belief that previous interventions had not yielded positive outcomes for the nation.
The Shift in Foreign Policy Under Trump
The podcast highlights a significant shift in U.S. foreign policy with the election of Donald Trump, who challenged the longstanding interventionist consensus that had dominated American politics since World War II. Trump's 'America First' approach questioned commitments to international alliances like NATO and proposed a more isolationist stance reminiscent of past debates. This raises contemporary questions regarding America's engagement in global conflicts that do not have direct implications for national security, such as the situations in Ukraine and Taiwan. The podcast argues that these issues echo similar debates from the 1940s, prompting a reevaluation of U.S. interests in maintaining global stability.
The Role of Lindbergh in Anti-Interventionism
Charles Lindbergh emerges as a central figure in the anti-interventionist movement of the late 1930s, representing a celebrity voice against U.S. involvement in European conflicts. His perspective was shaped by observations made while living in England, where he perceived Britain's declining capacity to engage in a war with Germany. Lindbergh's position sparked significant controversy and debate, especially after a speech where he identified various interests, including Jewish Americans', influencing the push for war. Despite being painted as a pro-German sympathizer, his primary argument centered on the belief that the U.S. should prioritize its own interests and avoid another costly foreign conflict.
H. W. Brands is the author of the book America First: Roosevelt vs. Lindbergh in the Shadow of War. Trump has indicated that his foreign policy will place America’s interests first following a long tradition in this country. We need to reexamine the debate prior to America’s entry into World War 2 and hear Lindbergh’s arguments about why we should stay out of wars in Europe.