The Bulwark Podcast Bill Kristol: Trump Is a Moral Monster
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Jul 28, 2025 
In this engaging conversation, Bill Kristol, Editor at large of The Bulwark, and Stacey Williams, a former model who bravely speaks out about her experiences with Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, expose the chilling connections between these two figures. They discuss Trump's apparent lack of empathy towards victims and his tangled responses to controversies involving Epstein. Stacey shares her personal stories of harassment and the challenges of coming forward, shedding light on the broader societal implications of victimization and accountability.
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Trump's Disturbing Epstein Ties
- Bill Kristol highlights Trump's close, disturbing relationship with Epstein, unlike others who might have been unaware or distant.
- This proximity complicates Trump's denial and suggests deeper involvement in the scandal.
Trump's Contradictory Epstein Defense
- Trump's approach to Epstein's scandal is consistent but contradictory, mixing denial with hints of involvement.
- His lack of empathy for victims separates him morally from sociopaths who at least fake concern.
FBI Under Strain Amid Controversies
- The FBI suffers significant internal strain and departure of agents due to political interference.
- This undermines investigative effectiveness and public trust in high-profile cases like Epstein's.