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Thrive Capital, founded by Josh Kushner, is a venture firm that follows a generalist approach, seeking to invest in exceptional companies and people across different sectors and stages. The firm believes in being concentrated and disciplined in their investments, focusing on ideas and people that have grand ambitions and the potential to transform industries. They prioritize the desire and tenacity of individuals over experience or education. Thrive Capital aims to build a team of extraordinary individuals who bring unique perspectives and independent thought to the table. They emphasize the importance of having a small team and a culture of constant growth, where actions and work ethic speak louder than words.
Josh Kushner recounts the origin story of Oscar Health, a health insurance company he co-founded. He experienced a frustrating insurance billing process after breaking his ankle, which led him to reflect on how technology, data, and design can simplify and improve the experience of health insurance. This reflection aligned with the introduction of the Affordable Care Act, which shifted the market toward a B2B2C model and gave rise to new opportunities. Taking advantage of this market shift and the limited technology available for health insurance companies, Oscar Health aimed to create a consumer-oriented, transparent, and technologically advanced healthcare solution. They saw the need for a new brand and an end-to-end operating system that could revolutionize the industry.
Thrive Capital follows a concentrated investment strategy, focusing on outstanding companies and people. They believe in partnering with visionary founders who are building category-defining businesses. Their goal is to support these founders over the long term, aiming to invest in companies that they can hold for decades. Thrive Capital seeks to invest in quality and compounding businesses that have the potential to become market leaders. They draw an analogy to real estate, where investing in prime locations like Fifth Avenue or emerging neighborhoods at the right time can yield significant value over time. The firm stresses the importance of being early to identify potential winners and the value of being concentrated in exceptional companies.
Thrive Capital places a strong emphasis on talent and building an exceptional team. They recruit individuals who not only possess intelligence but also approach problem-solving with independent thought and creativity. The firm believes in having a small team of dedicated professionals who respect each other and bring different perspectives and expertise to the table. They maintain a company-like approach where everyone is a founder and builders of the organization. Thrive Capital values tenacity, self-motivation, and humility in their team members, and they prioritize the desire to excel over experience or education. They aim to create an environment where actions speak louder than words and the team is constantly challenging themselves to grow and improve.
Thrive believes in approaching investments with a consumer lens, emphasizing the importance of the quality of products and the perspective of the end customer. They prioritize investing in companies with high switching costs and a strong consumer love for their products.
Thrive values concentration and being fully committed to an investment idea, which means betting on it wholeheartedly and not compromising. They also highlight the importance of not sizing down positions based on perceived risk, as it rarely leads to extraordinary outcomes. By being all in on their investments, Thrive seeks to create extraordinary results.
Thrive acknowledges the tension between extreme valuations and the end of a capital cycle. They believe in incorporating a deep understanding of the prevailing circumstances and the macro environment into their investment process. While they recognize potential challenges, they maintain focus on long-term trends, socio-technological innovation, exceptional founders, and the fundamentals of the space they invest in.
Thrive emphasizes the significance of having an informed perspective, intellectual honesty, and constantly challenging assumptions. They seek to understand problems and the potential of technologies before making investment decisions. Thrive also values visionary founders and the ability to inspire and motivate. They approach each investment as an independent entity and prioritize both patience and impatience in decision-making.
My guest today is Josh Kushner, founder and managing partner of venture firm, Thrive Capital. Josh started Thrive in 2010 and launched its first institutional fund in 2011. That first institutional fund was $40 million and, in it, Thrive led Warby Parker’s Series A, invested in Instagram, and incubated a business, which Josh co-founded, called Oscar. Thrive has gone from strength to strength since then and now manages $15 billion with a small team of 9 investors. Their portfolio is stage agnostic and their track record includes many of the best known businesses from the past decade, including Spotify, Unity, Stripe, and Twitch among many more. Josh rarely speaks in public about the firm and their philosophy so it was a blast to do this with him. Please enjoy my great conversation with Josh Kushner.
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Show Notes
(00:03:14) - (First question) - Why do this podcast
(00:06:14) - The development of taste and quality
(00:10:20) - CS Lewis tweet; The Inner Ring
(00:11:53) - Founders being heroes and motivating quietly from the background
(00:16:14) - Overview the founding story of Oscar Health
(00:21:30) - Is a big business different from a small one
(00:23:18) - Learning to identify good problems and creating a business to solve it
(00:25:43) - The birth story of Thrive Capital
(00:30:14) - Lessons learned from creating the first three Thrive funds
(00:33:35) - Industry wide competition today and models for building a firm in general
(00:37:44) - Talent, recruiting and seeing potential in younger generations of people
(00:45:40) - Investments he made during the early foundation of Thrive that had significant impact
(00:49:12) - His analogy for investing in early versus late stage
(00:54:22) - The current macro environment
(00:57:52) - Giving AI companies computing power instead of money
(00:58:57) - Why he sold small stakes of Thrive
(01:03:10) - His philosophy on what makes a good product
(01:05:20) - What he thinks about the models like Mobile and Cloud
(01:08:10) - His absence from crypto and why he refrained during the boom in 2021
(01:10:33) - Thoughts about the opportunity set in FinTech today writ large
(01:12:04) - Other potential opportunity sets beyond what’s already been discussed
(01:13:39) - Lessons learned from his time spent with Marc Andreessen, Stan Druckenmiller, Henry Kravis, and David Geffen
(01:21:59) - Balancing magnitudes of capital between investment funds
(01:23:32) - Why founders choose Thrive
(01:29:15) - Vision as a key ingredient for founders
(01:32:19) - His view of the investment industry in the world today writ large
(01:40:19) - Other investment firms he would invest in
(01:42:48) - The kindest thing anyone has ever done for him
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