Extremism and the Path to Peace with Elizabeth Neumann
Feb 4, 2025
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Elizabeth Neumann, a national security expert with over two decades of experience in counterterrorism, joins Mike Cosper for an insightful discussion. They explore how rage fuels extremism and the emotional crises that often precede radicalization. Neumann dissects the rise of right-wing evangelical radicalization and societal complicity in violence. The conversation emphasizes the importance of empathy, moral standards, and the church's role in community support, advocating for understanding as a pathway to peace.
Elizabeth Neumann highlights the psychosocial factors, such as the need for belonging, that drive individuals toward extremist ideologies during crises.
The podcast underscores the church's potential role in promoting kindness and community healing, countering societal division through dignity and gratitude.
Deep dives
The Legacy of the Satanic Panic
Between 1991 and 1993, over 12,000 allegations of satanic ritual abuse emerged across the United States, leading to widespread fear and public hysteria. However, a subsequent audit conducted in 1995 by the FBI found no tangible evidence linking these cases to actual cult activities. This highlighted how unchecked fears can distort public perception and influence law enforcement priorities, ultimately leading to significant societal consequences. The episode reflects on the lasting impact of this 'satanic panic' and its influence on sensationalized media narratives during the 1980s and 1990s.
Examining Extremism and its Roots
The conversation delves into the various factors that contribute to the rise of extremism in society, particularly focusing on political and cultural contexts. Elizabeth Newman emphasizes how the perception of threat from out-groups can prompt hostile actions, influenced by personal crises and societal narratives. She discusses the essential role of psychosocial factors, such as the need for belonging and significance, in pushing individuals toward extremist ideologies. Understanding these dynamics is vital for addressing and mitigating extremism effectively.
Challenges in Governance and Expertise
Concerns regarding the effectiveness of political administration arise, especially with perceived declines in government experience and expertise among leadership. The discussion highlights how a lack of qualified individuals in key positions can lead to poor decision-making, mismanagement, and significant consequences, as illustrated by the handling of the COVID-19 pandemic. There is a recognition that while chaos can spur innovation, it can also hinder effective governance and exacerbate existing challenges. The need for informed leadership becomes increasingly critical in navigating complex national security issues.
The Role of the Church in a Fragmented Society
Amidst political and cultural polarization, the church is positioned as a potential source of healing and community, advocating for kindness and understanding in public discourse. It is noted that the church's emphasis should be on fostering relationships and treating all individuals with dignity, regardless of differing beliefs. The conversation suggests that cultivating a culture of gratitude rather than grievance is essential for building a healthier society. Ultimately, the church can play a vital role in countering divisiveness and addressing the loneliness and despair that often accompany modern life.
In this episode, Mike Cosper talks with national security expert Elizabeth Neumann about how rage and extremism grow, the myths of ideology and the truth of pain, and the paths forward we each can forge as we recapture an understanding of the image of God inherent in each person.
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ABOUT THE GUEST:
Elizabeth Neumann is a national security expert with over two decades of experience. Neumann served across three presidential administrations—on the inaugural staff of the White House Homeland Security Council under President George W. Bush; as an advisor to the office of the director of national intelligence during the Obama Administration; and as the Department of Homeland Security’s deputy chief of staff and assistant secretary for counterterrorism and threat prevention in the Trump administration.
Neumann is also a national security contributor for ABC News, board chair for the National Immigration Forum, a fellow of the fourth class of the Civil Society Fellowship of The Aspen Institute, and a member of the Aspen Global Leadership Network.
ABOUT THE BULLETIN:
The Bulletin is a weekly (and sometimes more!) current events show from Christianity Today hosted and moderated by Clarissa Moll, with senior commentary from Russell Moore (Christianity Today’s editor in chief) and Mike Cosper (director, CT Media). Each week, the show explores current events and breaking news and shares a Christian perspective on issues that are shaping our world. We also offer special one-on-one conversations with writers, artists, and thought leaders whose impact on the world brings important significance to a Christian worldview, like Bono, Sharon McMahon, Harrison Scott Key, Frank Bruni, and more.