Former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen discusses combatting disinformation attacks from Russia, China, Iran, and Venezuela. Former top CIA analyst Mathew Burrows highlights how US intelligence is overwhelmed with immediate threats. Janis Shinwari, an Afghan interpreter, shares the fear of being left behind and killed by the Taliban. The podcast also covers the challenges of evacuating interpreters, unfair polygraph tests in visa applications, the threat of disinformation to democracy, social media's role in tackling misinformation, and the challenge of China for the intelligence community.
Afghan interpreters and allies must be quickly evacuated before U.S. troop withdrawal to ensure their safety.
Disinformation is a form of psychological warfare that attacks individuals and elections, emphasizing the role of social media platforms in combating it.
Deep dives
The Urgent Need for Evacuating Afghan Interpreters and Allies
Janus Shinwari, founder of No One Left Behind, a nonprofit organization, highlights the urgent need to evacuate Afghan interpreters and allies before the U.S. troops withdraw in September. Shinwari explains the vital role of interpreters and the risks they face from being targeted by the Taliban. He emphasizes that these individuals have worked directly for the U.S. government and deserve protection and evacuation to ensure their safety. Shinwari shares the challenges interpreters face in obtaining visas due to lengthy processes, polygraph tests, and the dangers they and their families face while waiting. He urges the U.S. government to quickly make a decision to bring all interpreters and allies to safety before it is too late.
The Threat of Disinformation and the Need for Election Integrity
Pho Grazmiesen, former Danish Prime Minister and Secretary-General of NATO, explains the threat of disinformation as a form of psychological warfare and the need for election integrity to combat it. Grazmiesen emphasizes that disinformation is aimed at attacking human beings to influence their thinking and attitudes, creating divisions within and between allied member states. He acknowledges the role of social media platforms and highlights the responsibility they have in taking down authentic profiles and stopping the amplification of fake news. Grazmiesen emphasizes the importance of balancing free speech and the protection of individuals and encourages educational solutions to increase social media literacy and raise awareness about disinformation.
The Global Trends and the Transition to a Multipolar World
Matthew Burrows, former CIA analyst and director of the Foresight Strategy and Risks Initiative at the Atlantic Council, discusses the global trends and the transition to a multipolar world. Burrows acknowledges that the unipolar world where the US led and dictated global order was a brief and failed experiment. He emphasizes the need for the US to recognize and adapt to the multipolar world, working with others and forming coalitions to address global challenges. Burrows also highlights the rising influence of China and Russia, particularly due to their opposition to the perceived US global dominance. He emphasizes the importance of sustaining long-term agreements and cooperation to solve complex global problems.
The Failure and Frustration in Dealing with Pandemics
Matthew Burrows expresses frustration and disappointment in the US government's failure to address and prepare for the COVID-19 pandemic. He highlights the life-and-death consequences of this failure and criticizes the lack of global readiness to combat pandemics. Burrows discusses the potential scenarios of the pandemic and emphasizes the risks of inequality, political instability, and long-term impacts on the developing world. He suggests that the US government needs to think beyond crisis management and find sustainable solutions to address global challenges. Furthermore, Burrows discusses the need for US leaders to recognize the importance of working with others, forming coalitions, and compromising on global issues.
In the fourth edition of the SpyTalk podcast, former NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen talks with co-host Jeanne Meserve about combatting “psychological warfare” disinformation attacks from Russia, China, Iran and even Venezuela, and former top CIA analyst Mathew Burrows tells her that US intelligence is so busy coping with immediate threats they “can’t see the forest for the trees.” Leading off the show, Jeff Stein talks with Janis Shinwari, an Afghan interpreter for US intelligence units, who says thousands of his comrades are terrified about being left behind and murdered by the Taliban when US forces leave in September.