Phil and Jake are joined by Anastasia Berg and Rachel Wiseman, the authors of What Are Children For? On Ambivalence and Choice, to discuss David Benatar's 1997 paper "Why It Is Better Never to Come into Existence," alongside Paul Schrader's 2017 film First Reformed.

The Manifesto:
David Benatar - "Why It Is Better Never to Come into Existence"
https://www.jstor.org/stable/20009904

The Art:
Paul Schrader - First Reformed
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6053438/

Anastasia Berg and Rachel Wiseman - What Are Children For? On Ambivalence and Choice
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250276131/whatarechildrenfor

For more of Anastasia's work
https://www.anastasiaberg.com/

Rachel's work at The Point
https://thepointmag.com/author/rwiseman/