Dan replays two interviews Chuck did with the late, great David Graeber, the first about his book on bureaucracy "The Utopia of Rules," the second on the book "Bullshit Jobs."
https://www.mhpbooks.com/books/the-utopia-of-rules/
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bullshit-Jobs/David-Graeber/9781501143335
