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Leveling up JavaScript with Deno 2 (Interview)

Sep 26, 2024

Ryan Dahl, the creator of Deno and a key figure in the JavaScript community, joins to share insights on his vision for Deno 2. He discusses why he chose to build anew instead of forking Node, highlights Deno's innovative features like JSR and SQLite integration, and emphasizes the need for robust security in open source projects. Additionally, Dahl tackles the complex relationship with Oracle over the 'JavaScript' trademark, advocating for its release. The conversation is a deep dive into modern JavaScript development and community collaboration.

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Quick takeaways

Ryan Dahl discusses the evolution of Deno 2, which enhances JavaScript development by integrating NPM compatibility for easier package usage.

The introduction of JSR aims to simplify JavaScript and TypeScript package management, making it easier for developers to share modules.

Dahl's open letter to Oracle addresses the need for community ownership of the JavaScript trademark, advocating for a more inclusive language identity.

Deep dives

Introduction to Ryan Dahl and Deno

Ryan Dahl, the creator of Node.js, discusses his new project, Deno, which aims to improve JavaScript development by addressing the shortcomings he identified in Node. He acknowledges that Deno has been in the works for several years, with the goal of creating a more modern and user-friendly environment for JavaScript developers. Dahl reflects on the surprising success of Node.js and its growing popularity, emphasizing the collaborative efforts of many contributors over the years. He expresses excitement for the upcoming release of Deno 2, which marks a significant milestone in the project's evolution.

Intro

2min

Exploring Advanced Speech-to-Text Technologies

2min

Deno's Evolution: From Vision to Reality

21min

Exploring Vulnerabilities in Open Source Security

6min

Navigating Deno 2: Versioning and Innovations

13min

Exploring Deno's Capabilities and Enhancements for JavaScript Development

3min

Evolving Architecture and Leadership in Deno

18min

Challenging Oracle's JavaScript Trademark

7min

Wrapping Up JavaScript Development and Community Engagement

3min

Jerod is joined by Ryan Dahl to discuss his second take on leveling up JavaScript developers all around the world. Jerod asks Ryan why not try to fix or fork Node instead of starting fresh, how Deno (the open source project) can avoid the all too common rug pull (not cool) scenario, what’s new in Deno 2 & their pragmatic decision to support npm, they talk JSR, they talk Deno KV & SQLite, they even talk about Ryan’s open letter to Oracle in an attempt to free the unused “JavaScript” trademark from the giant’s clutches.

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Ryan Dahl – Twitter, GitHub, Website
Jerod Santo – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn

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