On the heels of an unprecedented, unforgettable year of quarantine, Geoff Manaugh (A Burglar’s Guide to the City) and science journalist Nicola Twilley launched their new book, Until Proven Safe. Tracing the history and future of quarantine  around the globe, Manaugh and Twilley unfold the connections between emergency isolation and freedom, governance, and mutual responsibility. Mary Roach (Fuzz: When Nature Breaks the Law) joined for a conversation that roamed through space pathogens, the problem of nuclear waste, and the difference between isolation and quarantine. (Recorded July 20, 2021)