The book Capitalist Realism by Mark Fisher can come off as a dark exposé of the problems we cause ourselves because we've ingested and internalized capitalism to the point that we can't even imagine another system for a functional world.

It can also be read as an introspective chat with the worst of ourselves, with a few exciting movie references along the way.

Instead, author and intellectual Tara McMullin and I take another approach to the potentially heavy content: we dig into how we understand where we are and how it helps us make better choices moving forward as workers, leaders and humans. And laughter - there is a ton of laughter in our conversation. It's not all gloom, people.

You can find Tara's excellent, mind-expanding newsletter at: explorewhatworks.com.

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