A conversation with Robin Hanson. In an interview of two halves, we explore the science of our hidden motives, or "ugly motives", that drive our day-to-day interactions. The drivers we won't admit to - even to ourselves. We also delve into the mind-blowing world Ems, or digital human emulations. How does a society of a select group of 'uploaded' humans operate? How's life as a perpetual digital retiree? How would it be in to live in a clan of copies of you? Prepare for a head explosion.
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