Toomas Ilves, former president of Estonia, talks about building up Estonia's tech sector, getting Estonia into NATO, and watching Russia grow more aggressive from a small Baltic country. He discusses Estonia's digital revolution, the Tiger Leap program, and the strategic decision to join the EU to gain entry into NATO. Ilves also explores the defensibility of Ukraine and Georgia and argues against expanding NATO to these countries. He highlights the lack of support given to Ukraine during the invasion and reveals how Estonia became a global leader in IT and digitization.