In this Valentine's Day special episode, Phoebe, Isaac's wife, discusses topics such as law school, mock trial, presidential candidates, first impressions of the staff, and personal questions for Isaac. They also explore the power of strategic language in trial statements and the challenges of navigating success in a relationship. The hosts share their admiration for their social media editor and reflect on unexpected surprises in their relationship.
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Phoebe highlights the transition from awe to practical navigation of law school, finding it challenging and occasionally intimidating.
Phoebe shares her positive experience interning with a Republican-appointed judge who challenged her preconceived notions about judges and inspired her optimism.
Phoebe recounts her initial skepticism about reverse racism shifting as she witnessed a high-profile discrimination case, emphasizing the importance of comparator evidence and impactful closing statements.
Deep dives
Phoebe's Experience in Law School
Phoebe discusses her experience in law school, noting that while the first year was filled with new and exciting intellectual challenges, the second year has become more practical and focused on the application of legal knowledge. She highlights the transition from being in awe of the law to now figuring out how to navigate it practically, which she finds challenging and occasionally intimidating. Phoebe also mentions the specific classes she is taking and notes her involvement in trial team, which has become a significant part of her law school experience.
Phoebe's Internship with a Republican-Appointed Judge
Phoebe shares her positive experience interning with a Republican-appointed judge over the summer. Despite their political differences, she explains that the judge's moral steadiness and commitment to mentorship made a lasting impression on her. Phoebe discusses how this judge's impartiality and dedication to teaching and accessibility, along with his ability to separate politics from his role, challenged her preconceived notions about judges and left her feeling inspired and optimistic about the legal profession.
The Starbucks Discrimination Case
Phoebe recounts her observations of a high-profile Starbucks discrimination case that came before the judge she interned with. She explains how her initial skepticism regarding the concept of reverse racism shifted as she witnessed the legal arguments and evidence presented in court. Phoebe discusses how the plaintiff, a white woman who sued Starbucks for alleged employment discrimination, successfully argued her case, highlighting the importance of comparator evidence in proving discrimination. She also highlights the power of effective closing statements and the impact they can have on a jury's decision. Ultimately, the plaintiff was awarded a substantial financial settlement.
The Impression of President Joe Biden
The speaker discusses their experience of President Joe Biden and the relief they felt when he was elected after the previous administration. They express concern about Biden's age and the need for younger generations to have a voice in politics.
The Challenges of Success in Their Relationship
The speaker and their partner discuss the challenges of success in their relationship. They talk about feeling overshadowed by each other's accomplishments and how it can lead to feelings of resentment and being a bad partner. They also address the constant pace of the news and the difficulty of setting boundaries in their work-life balance.
On today's special episode of Tangle, we carry on with a Valentine's Day tradition. I sat down and talked with my wife, Phoebe. We talked about law school and mock trial, presidential candidates, the demands of Tangle, first impressions of the staff, and finally, Phoebe has some questions for Isaac.
Special thank you to Phoebe and Isaac for being open and honest and sharing their love with us today. Happy Valentine's Day.
Our podcast is written by Isaac Saul and edited and engineered by Jon Lall. Music for the podcast was produced by Diet 75.
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