Chat_157 - It's Time to Walk the Walk with Roy Sheinfeld

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Jan 15, 2026

Roy Sheinfeld, Founder and CEO of Breeze, shares transformative insights on Bitcoin scaling and the Lightning network. He emphasizes the excitement of embedding Bitcoin utility in applications, redefining Lightning as a unifying protocol for various sub-networks. The discussion touches on the revolutionary Spark architecture, which resolves offline payment issues, and the role of vibe coding with AI in app development. Roy also highlights the need for privacy in Bitcoin and introduces Breeze's multi-SDK strategy to enhance user experience.

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INSIGHT

Utility Over Ideology

Bitcoin's next phase is less about ideology and more about embedding native internet money into apps.
Roy Sheinfeld argues utility manifesting through UX will drive mainstream adoption, not orange-pilling.

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Vibe-Code Small Apps Fast

Use AI 'vibe coding' to rapidly prototype tailored developer tools and internal apps.
Roy Sheinfeld recommends building small custom apps to replace costly enterprise software and speed workflows.

INSIGHT

Lightning As A Common Language

Lightning should be viewed as a common language connecting many subnetworks, not a single implementation.
Subnetworks (Spark, ARK, Liquid) act as specialized channel factories that scale different user needs.

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"Bitcoin needs to be exciting because it provides a utility that no other technology provides. The value transfer technology needs to be embedded in every application in the world. Period. That's super exciting."

~ Roy Sheinfeld

It has been nearly three years since Roy was on the show, and the landscape of Bitcoin scaling has completely transformed.

We dive deep into the evolution of Lightning - not just as a network of nodes, but as a "common language" that ties together entirely new sub-networks. I honestly had my mind blown when Roy explained that Spark is actually based on state chains, and how this architecture finally solves the massive headache of receiving payments offline without the usual custodial trade-offs. We also get into the reality of vibe coding with AI and the necessity of stablecoins as a transition layer to hyperbitcoinization.

Is the era of orange pilling effectively over? Are we finally entering the phase where we stop talking about utility and start manifesting it through seamless apps? This conversation is packed with technical revelations that made me rethink exactly how we win.

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Roy on X (Link: https://twitter.com/roy_breez)
Roy on Nostr (Link: https://tinyurl.com/m8x9whee)
Roy on Medium (Link: https://medium.com/@kingonly)
Breez Website (Link: https://breez.technology/)

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