What does the Covid-19 pandemic tell us about the relationship between humans and nature? And how can eco-Marxism help us understand the pandemic? What does a Marxist account of health look like? In this episode, Lukas Slothuus and Ashok Kumar speak with Jacopo Nicola Bergamo from the University of Vigo about his article Pandemic Capitalism: Metabolic Rift, World-Ecology Crossing Dialectical Biology. The article is in the 31.1 issue of the Historical Materialism journal.