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When a mathematician became education minister: Nuno Crato on transforming education (Ep 58)

Nov 7, 2025
Dr. Nuno Crato, a research professor and former Portuguese Minister of Education, shares insights on transforming education in Portugal from 2011 to 2015. He emphasizes the critical role of a well-structured curriculum and accountability in boosting student performance on international assessments like PISA and TIMSS. Nuno discusses how targeted support for struggling learners and structured testing can enhance educational outcomes. He also reflects on the balance between rigorous standards and equity, providing valuable lessons for educators and policymakers.
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ANECDOTE

Surprising Call To Serve As Minister

  • Nuno accepted the unexpected minister role after weighing duty and a longtime reform plan he already had.
  • His wife urged him to take the chance, warning he’d regret refusing the opportunity to enact change.
ANECDOTE

Parliament Soundbite Lessons

  • In parliament Nuno calmly explained evidence on class size, but opponents quoted him out of context for TV soundbites.
  • He learned politicians often speak for media impact rather than to learn or understand details.
ADVICE

Define A Clear, Detailed Curriculum

  • Do define a clear, detailed national curriculum that lists yearly learning goals and specific skills.
  • Use precise learning goals to prevent watering down and ensure uniform rigor across schools.
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