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Grant’s Current Yield Podcast

MURDER BY HIGHER RATES

Dec 1, 2023
Jim Bianco, President and macro strategist at Bianco Research, joins the podcast to discuss his bearish outlook on bonds and the threat to interest rate observation. They also explore the rise of private credit as a replacement for traditional bank lending, the potential for a bond bear market, and the global concerns surrounding the US public debt.
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Quick takeaways

  • The 40-year bull market in bonds came to an end in 2020, signaling the start of a bear market with rising interest rates.
  • The concentration of market gains in a few stocks raises concerns about market breadth and the relevance of stock picking in a post-COVID economy.

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Jim Bianco predicts the end of the 40-year bull market in bonds and a transition to a multi-year bear market

Jim Bianco, a renowned expert in the bond market, suggests that the 40-year bull market in bonds came to an end in 2020, marking the start of a multi-year bear market. While there may be short-term rallies along the way, Bianco anticipates that interest rates will continue to rise. He believes that the current level of interest rates is not yet high enough to trigger a significant economic downturn, and that rates could go even higher in the future. Bianco emphasizes that the average interest rates before the QE period were similar to the rates we are seeing now, and he argues that we are simply returning to a more normal state rather than experiencing a new normal.

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