In this episode, Anna Stokke interviews The Right Honourable Sir Nick Gibb, former Minister of State for Schools in England. Nick discusses the bold, evidence-based reforms he led over a decade to reverse declining academic performance in English schools. From phonics-based reading instruction to math mastery, he explains how high expectations, rigorous curricula, and a focus on teacher training transformed outcomes—helping England rise to 4th in the world in reading on PIRLS and one of the highest-performing countries on TIMSS. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in meaningful education reform.

TIMESTAMPS

[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:04:05] The state of English education in 2005
[00:05:50] Problems with progressive education
[00:08:12] Math teaching in England before the reforms
[00:13:13] Education: A non-partisan issue
[00:14:48] Learning about math teaching from Shanghai and Singapore
[00:18:01] Competency-based curriculum debate
[00:22:00] Reading reforms
[00:26:09] Resistance to the phonics movement
[00:32:10] Math reforms implemented for primary education
[00:38:08] Attention to detail in curriculum development
[00:41:11] Debates on educational standards
[00:42:41] Reforming initial teacher training
[00:48:24] The Education Endowment Foundation
[00:50:21] Liberating the teaching profession
[00:55:07] How the reforms improved student outcomes
[00:57:42] Educational outcomes in Scotland and Wales
[01:00:38] The future of education reforms
[01:06:24] Advice for policymakers and advocates
[01:16:00] Reflections and closing remarks

RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES

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https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-z2q9q-14ce080

The tweet that roared with Tom Bennett
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpgqn-14326ef

Using evidence in education with Pamela Snow
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-jc9mq-161ecac

Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sachdeva and Jim Hewitt
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-49-transcript

EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-49-resources

MUSIC

Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it

Oy Studio: Light comedy

Blue Dot Sessions: Avoiding the Backroom, Neatly folded, Momentary Ease, Balti

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