The Joe Rogan Experience #2156 - Jeremie & Edouard Harris
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May 25, 2024 
Jeremie Harris and Edouard Harris, co-founders of Gladstone AI, dive deep into the world of artificial intelligence and national security. They discuss the urgent need for informed governance in light of AI's rapid advancements. The duo emphasizes the risks of AI, including potential mass manipulation via social media. They explore the relationships between AI and human emotions, the ethical implications of AI decision-making, and the importance of regulatory frameworks to ensure safety. Additionally, they highlight innovations in AI technology and their transformative potential for society.
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Scaling Trend
- AI models can now write news articles indistinguishable from human-written ones.
- This signifies a scaling trend where increasing size, not clever algorithms, improves performance, solvable with money.
Waking Up the Government
- After a 2020 AI breakthrough, Jeremie and Edouard Harris tried alerting the government.
- They faced dismissal until a State Department team acknowledged the issue and risked their careers on it.
Pushback and DoD's Safety Culture
- Some initially advised against government involvement, fearing they would build powerful AI unsafely.
- However, the Harris brothers found DoD had a safety-oriented culture, contrary to expectations.