A conflict at the heart of our political disagreements
Oct 9, 2023
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Penn State professors John Iceland and Eric Silver discuss the conflict between social order and social justice in relation to social inequality. They explore the historical development of these conflicting perspectives and offer suggestions for finding common ground. The speakers also delve into the significance of compromise, the influence of personal circumstances on political beliefs, and the complexities of the relationship between social justice and social disorder.
The conflict between social justice and social order shapes responses to protests and policy preferences on inequality and social issues.
Fostering viewpoint diversity and dialogue can lead to productive conversations and challenge preconceptions in addressing social problems.
Deep dives
The Conflict Between Social Justice and Social Order
The podcast discusses the book 'Why We Disagree About Inequality' by John Iceland, Eric Silver, and Alana Redstone, which explores the conflict between social justice and social order as the reason behind disagreements on inequality. Social justice focuses on caring for the vulnerable and freeing them from oppression, while social order balances concerns for social cohesion and stability. These conflicting perspectives are seen as strong and relatively stable intuitions that shape how individuals view the world and approach policy questions. The book argues that both perspectives have inherent wisdom and that a society works better when each side respects and acknowledges the other's perspective.
The Impact of Social Order and Social Justice on Protests
The podcast highlights how the social order and social justice perspectives shape responses to protests like those following the death of George Floyd. The social justice perspective views racial inequality through the lens of oppression, emphasizing the need for equity and caring for the weak and vulnerable. In contrast, the social order perspective sees inequality as a natural outcome and emphasizes the importance of stability and group cohesion. These conflicting views result in different policy preferences and discussions about how to address inequality and social issues.
Affirmative Action and the Clash of Perspectives
The podcast explores how the conflict between social justice and social order emerges in the context of affirmative action. Social justice proponents argue for affirmative action as a way to engineer equality and reduce oppression by promoting equity. In contrast, the social order perspective questions the fairness of treating some individuals unfairly to benefit others, emphasizing the importance of maintaining stability and order in institutions. The Supreme Court's affirmative action decisions are seen as attempts to strike a balance between these conflicting perspectives, promoting fairness while preserving social order.
The Importance of Viewpoint Diversity in Higher Education
The podcast discusses the value of viewpoint diversity in higher education and the academic field. Emphasizing the need to hear different perspectives, the guests argue that each side possesses wisdom that the other side lacks. They believe that fostering dialogue and understanding between different viewpoints can lead to productive conversations about social problems. They advocate for encouraging students to consider different viewpoints to develop critical thinking skills. They also highlight the unique role of higher education in bringing together diverse perspectives and challenging students' preconceptions.
Why do we disagree about the causes of and solutions to social inequality? What explains our different viewpoints on Black Lives Matter, #MeToo, income inequality, and immigration? Penn State professors John Iceland and Eric Silver join us this week to discuss how the discrepancy between social order and social justice impedes political compromise and progress.
Iceland and Silver, along with Ilana Redstone of the University of Illinois, are the authors of Why We Disagree about Inequality: Social Justice vs. Social Order. In the book, they show how these competing worldviews are preventing Americans from solving their most pressing social problems. Iceland is Distinguished Professor of Sociology and Demography; Silver is Professor Sociology and Criminology and recently won the Open Inquiry Award for Teaching from Heterodox Academy.
In the interview, we discuss how the conflict between social order and social justice played out at different points in history going back to the French Revolutions. Iceland and Silver also offer suggestions for how to move beyond these divisions to find consensus and common ground.
After the interview, Chris Beem and Candis Watts Smith discuss whether social order and social justice should have equal footing and how looking to history might not be the best approach for how to break out of these silos.