This time John is talking to Laura Overton, an award-winning international speaker, author and facilitator, with multiple institutional fellowships. Laura is probably best known for helming Towards Maturity, the research and benchmarking organization, from its inception as a Government initiative, through independence and commercial success before it was bought out by Emerald Group in 2017. Does she think during her time there she really managed to bring about change in the practice of learning?   ---------- 2:54 - What is ‘Emerging Stronger’? 11:30 - ‘Changemakers’ newsletter 16:43 - How did she get into learning? 24:28 - Towards Maturity: the legacy 31:02 - L&D skills and mindset 35:52 – Data in L&D 42:30 – How to get involved? ----------   Mentioned in the discussion: Trojan mice https://jarche.com/2012/10/on-trojan-mice/ Newsletter: #LearningChangemakers https://www.linkedin.com/newsletters/learningchangemakers-6768177569251520512/ Emerging Stronger https://emergentmasterclass.com/about/#meet   Contact Laura Twitter: @lauraoverton LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lauraoverton   Contact John Helmer Twitter: @johnhelmer LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnhelmer/ Website: http://johnhelmerconsulting.com/ Download the new white paper from Learning Pool written by John Helmer & Ben Betts – Suite Dreams: The Past, Present and Future of Learning Systems https://learningpool.com/suite-dreams/