As leader of the Bad Seeds, musician Nick Cave is well known for his dark take on the songwriting craft but in recent years the performer and author has also become a distinct voice reflecting on how we deal with the process of grief. Cave’s most recent book is Faith, Hope, and Carnage, a collection of writing formed from conversations between the singer and the Irish journalist and critic Seán O’Hagan. The book touches on the musician’s evolution as an artist and also some of the tragic events that have informed his recent work. Cave’s son Arthur died In 2015. In this discussion, recorded at St Martin-in-the-Fields church in London, Cave and O’Hagan explore the power of conversation as a necessary outlet for processing both creative ideas and deeply personal perspectives.

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