In the second half of this free-flowing conversation with producer Brad Wood, he digs into the recording of Whip-Smart, Liz Phair’s follow-up to her groundbreaking debut album Exile in Guyville, and the subsequent tour that never happened—and he tells of his more limited involvement on her third album, whitechocolatespaceegg. He reflects on what went right with Veruca’s Salt’s debut album, American Thighs, and its hit single “Seether,” and what went wrong when Billy Corgan hired him to produce Smashing Pumpkins’ Adore. He also discusses his efforts to let the Bangles be the Bangles on Doll Revolution, his poignant reunion with Veruca Salt, the reason he moved from Chicago to Los Angeles and what a producer should and should not do.