Chris Whipple, author of The Spymasters: How the CIA Directors Shape History and the Future, discusses the role of CIA directors and the potential implications of their independence. Juan Zarate, former Treasury Assistant Secretary for Terrorist Financing, talks about the bad guys' use of cryptocurrencies. They explore the danger of cryptocurrency as a channel for terror financing and the challenges of tracking terrorists. Other topics include the positives and negatives of the CIA's operations throughout history, the importance of good relationships between CIA directors and presidents, and the rise of cryptocurrencies and China's ban on crypto mining.