Q&A ABC News Journalist Jonathan Karl on "Retribution"
Jan 26, 2026
Jonathan Karl, ABC News chief Washington correspondent and author, discusses his book Retribution about Trump’s 2024 comeback. He revisits the election-night call, surprising access to Trump, the contrast between Trump’s public attacks and private tone, the Butler assassination aftermath, and the roles of figures like Steve Bannon and Hunter Biden. Short, revealing stories and behind-the-scenes moments throughout.
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Morning-After Call With Trump
- Jonathan Karl called Donald Trump the morning after the 2024 election and Trump picked up, wanting to hear his victory described aloud.
- Karl likened the moment to a "say my name" scene from Breaking Bad, showing Trump's need for affirmation.
A Unique Political Comeback
- Karl argues Trump's 2024 victory was likely the greatest political comeback in American history given convictions, indictments, and prior disgrace.
- He compares it to Nixon's comeback but says Trump's return eclipses previous examples.
How Direct Calls Began
- Karl knew Trump since 1994 and got access early as a New York Post reporter; he only began calling Trump directly after the Butler assassination attempt.
- That first direct call lasted about 15 minutes and opened a pattern of more frequent direct contact.
