Some of the worst kinds of abuse happen right in front of us—often hidden behind love, care, and even medicine.

In this episode, Jill sits down with returning guest Andrea Dunlop and her co-author and colleague Mike Weber to talk about their book, The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy. Munchausen by Proxy (MBP) is a disturbing form of medical child abuse, which we have covered on the podcast before, where a caregiver—usually a mother—makes a child sick or pretends they are, all for attention and sympathy.

Andrea, a podcast host and expert on MBP, and Mike, a seasoned law enforcement officer with years of experience in child abuse cases, highlighted what they’ve learned from investigating these heartbreaking stories. 

They explain why these cases are so hard to catch, the legal system’s challenges in prosecuting perpetrators, and the chilling similarities between MBP and child sexual abuse.

And make sure to stick around until the end of the episode, where Jill and Emily wrap up with a debrief about the emotional toll of confronting such tough realities. 

Listen and Learn: 

• The shocking truth of Munchausen by Proxy and its hidden dynamics
• The similarities between Munchausen by Proxy and child sexual abuse and the deep manipulation at play
• How skilled manipulators exploit medical systems and doctors' blind spots to hide abuse.
• Why even law enforcement, judges, and doctors might fail to recognize this devastating abuse
• Why are false accusations often believed more than the reality of underreported child abuse cases?
• Why is it so hard to accept that abuse can happen in 'good' families, and how can we spot it?
• How Andrea and Mike keep fighting when the system fails abused children

Resources:

• Book: The Mother Next Door: Medicine, Deception, and Munchausen by Proxy
• Andrea’s Podcast: https://www.nobodyshouldbelieveme.com/
• Andrea’s Website: https://www.andreadunlop.net/
• Connect with Andrea on Social Media: 
• IG: https://www.instagram.com/andreadunlop/?hl=en
• TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@andrea.dunlop?lang=en
• Mike’s Website: https://www.mikeweberconsulting.com/

About Andrea Dunlop

Andrea Dunlop is the author of four novels, including She Regrets Nothing and Women Are the Fiercest Creatures, and the host and creator of Nobody Should Believe Me, an award-winning investigative true crime podcast about Munchausen by proxy. Andrea is the founder of Munchausen Support, the nation’s only non-profit dedicated to supporting survivors and families affected by MBP, and a member of the American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children’s MBP committee, where she serves alongside the country’s foremost experts. She lives in Seattle with her husband and two children.

About Mike Weber

Mike Weber has forty years of law enforcement experience, including fifteen years as a crimes against children investigator. Detective Weber has consulted with numerous police agencies and district attorney’s offices nationally on cases of medical child abuse, and was awarded the 2016 NCMEC Texas Hero for Children Award. He currently lives and works in Fort Worth.

Related Episodes

• 19. Keeping Children Safe from Sexual Abuse with Feather Berkower
• 84. Courageous Conversations to Prevent Childhood Sexual Abuse with Feather Berkower
• 276. Assertive Communication Skills with Randy Paterson
• 308. Identifying and Surviving Gaslighting with Robin Stern
• 314. Munchausen by Proxy with Andrea Dunlop and Marc Feldman
• 320. Anger and Forgiveness with Robyn Walser
• Bonus Episode: Nobody Should Believe Me with Andrea Dunlop

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