Greg Boyd & Paul Copan debate Old Testament violence and Boyd's new theology in Crucifixion Of The Warrior God
Jan 19, 2018
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Greg Boyd, theologian and author of "The Crucifixion Of The Warrior God," discusses his new theological approach to understanding Old Testament violence. He engages in a debate with theologian Paul Copan, who holds a different view. Topics discussed include different interpretations of Old Testament violence, Greg's cruciform theology, and the concept of 'literary crucifixes' in the Old Testament. The podcast also announces the Unbelievable conference 2018 and explores the challenges of engaging with atheists.
The crucifixion of Jesus Christ reveals God's sacrificial love as the ultimate manifestation of his character.
Interpreting violent passages in the Old Testament should be filtered through the lens of the cross, as it reveals the fullness of God's character.
The concept of cruciformity in understanding Old Testament violence encompasses a range of actions, including forceful engagement, and should be considered in light of cultural context and broader themes of scripture.
Deep dives
God's Revelation of Himself on the Cross
Greg Boyd argues that the crucifixion of Jesus Christ is the ultimate revelation of God's character, specifically his sacrificial love. He emphasizes that believers see something more behind the surface of the cross, recognizing the unfathomable love and self-sacrifice of God. This revelation on the cross supersedes all others and serves as the central point for understanding God's judgment. Boyd insists that interpreting violent passages in the Old Testament should be filtered through the lens of the cross, as it reveals the fullness of God's character.
Different Perspectives on Cruciform Theology
In response to Boyd's cruciform theology, Paul Copan raises several objections. He questions Boyd's definition of violence and whether it includes coercive force. Copan argues that there are instances in both the Old and New Testaments where God employs judgment, capital punishment, and the use of force. He also points out that other New Testament passages indicate a broader understanding of the cruciformity principle, where severe language and acts of judgment are depicted as compatible with God's character. Copan suggests that a Christocentric hermeneutic should consider the wider presentation of the biblical text.
The Importance of Understanding God's Judgment
Greg Boyd clarifies that he does affirm God's judgment, but he differs in his understanding of how it is manifested. Rather than perceiving God as acting violently, Boyd argues that God delivers people over to their sin, as seen in the example of Jesus on the cross. He sees judgment as withdrawing protection, allowing individuals to experience the natural consequences of their sinful actions. Boyd acknowledges the severe language and actions recorded in the Bible but emphasizes that they should be interpreted in light of the ultimate revelation of God's love on the cross.
Exploring Specific Texts and Biblical Tension
Paul Copan raises concerns about specific texts, such as Jesus' use of strong language, and instances where early Christians express rejoicing in God's justice and vengeance. Copan argues that a Christocentric hermeneutic should encompass the full range of biblical texts that express both kindness and severity. He suggests that specific passages challenge Boyd's interpretation and should be considered in their broader context.
The Continuity of God's Use of Coercive Force
Greg Boyd and Paul Copan discuss the concept of cruciformity and its application to Old Testament violence. Boyd argues that the use of coercive force is not contrary to the character of God, as displayed in both the Old and New Testaments. He suggests that Jesus' actions in the temple and the language used in the book of Revelation demonstrate a broader understanding of cruciformity that includes forceful engagement. Copan acknowledges the presence of violence in the Bible but questions the interpretation Boyd gives, emphasizing the need to understand the cultural context and broader themes of scripture.
Examining Specific Examples of Violence
In the discussion, both Boyd and Copan examine specific examples of violence in the Bible. They consider the story of the Israelites defending themselves against the Canaanites and the language Jesus uses in certain passages. Boyd draws attention to Jesus' teachings on non-retaliation and love for enemies, suggesting that these should shape our interpretation of violent passages. Copan argues for a broader understanding of cruciformity that includes forceful actions and highlights the need to consider the context and intent of such passages in order to grasp their true meaning.
Greg Boyd's new 2-volume book The Crucifixion Of The Warrior God is a new theological approach to understanding Old Testament violence and warfare through the cross of Christ.
Greg engages in the first of two shows with theologian Paul Copan who holds to a "synthesis" view of how to understand OT violence and disagrees with Greg's theology.
Justin also announces booking open for Unbelievable? the Conference 2018: #JustAsk, on Sat 19th May. Check out the theme, speakers and early bird discount at www.premier.org.uk/justask