In this episode, Scaling Design Systems for Digital Transformation, Jon and Dan explore the multifaceted world of design systems, delving into challenges, priorities, and experiences in both consumer-facing and internal business contexts.

Dan covers the significance of design systems in achieving design maturity at scale, with insights from his latest book, "Design That Scales."

They discuss creative approaches in digital transformation, challenges in scaling design, and the importance of addressing internal systems impacting user experience.

Key takeaways include:

the need for a flexible and pragmatic approach to design systems
the importance of diverse skills and representation in design teams
the nuanced nature of working with C-suite members.
the role of AI in design systems, managing ego and toxicity, and the critical aspects of governance and operational flow

Dive into practical insights, debunked misconceptions, and valuable perspectives for navigating the complex landscape of design systems.

Book: Design That Scales

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