Are AI Companies Lying to You about Copyright and IP? | Dr Ben Maling

Mar 8, 2025

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💡 About Dr Ben Maling and Episode Citations💡

Ben specialises in all aspects of IP in software and data, with a particular focus on AI at EIP’s litigation practice. He believes in a holistic approach to IP strategy: patents are a powerful tool, to be deployed in combination with a proper grip on trade secrets, open source, and IP-focused commercial agreements.
Full Profile and Citations: https://ceoretort.com/podcast/guest/2025/03/08/ben-maling-are-ai-companies-lying-to-you-about-copyright-and-ip/

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❗️ Timestamp ❗️

(00:00) – Preview

(02:27) – Introducing Dr Ben Maling

(07:27) – From Academia to Patent Law: A Unique Journey

(13:03) – The Divisive Debate on Copyright and AI

(18:36) – Political Framing Against Copyright to Serve AI Companies

(25:44) – Do EU Regulations Stifle Gen AI Innovation?

(34:54) – Data Efficiency vs. Scale with LLMs

(42:44) – Limitations and Dangerous Side Effects of LLMs

(54:07) – The Risk of AI-Generated Content Killing The Internet

(01:05:06) – The AI Hype Cycle and Falling for It

(01:09:30) – Who Should Be Held Accountable for Bad AI Outcomes

(01:15:04) – Critical Role of Academics in AI Discourse

(01:18:21) – UK and EU's Position in the AI Landscape

(01:24:19) – Shifting Focus From Generative AI to Applied AI

(01:32:11) – AGI: Hype vs. Reality

(01:37:26) – Hope for the Future of AI

(01:48:33) – Final Thoughts