In this episode of the Steadowork podcast, Benjamin interviews Holger Heinze, a management consultant and author of 'Drama Free Workplace.' They explore how to create a less stressful and more empowering work environment by understanding the drama triangle, the connection between mindset and drama, and practical strategies to avoid drama in the workplace. Holger shares insights on the importance of recognizing triggers, the roles people play in drama situations, and how to shift from a victim mindset to a creator mindset. The conversation also delves into the cultural implications of drama in organizations and the need for systemic changes to foster a healthier workplace culture.
Holger Heinze
Holger Heinze is an Executive Coach, Consultant, and Certified 3VQ® Trainer, specializing in leadership development, cultural transformation, and organizational resilience. He is Managing Partner at O’Donovan Consulting AG, where he supports mid-sized organizations in driving customer-centric change and building high-trust, drama-free workplace cultures.
With a background in digital innovation and entrepreneurship, Holger brings over two decades of experience in guiding leaders, teams, and HR professionals through complex transformations. He is the author of the German book Dramafreie Arbeitswelt ("Drama-Free Workplace") and a trusted coach to executives navigating change with clarity, courage, and focus.
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/holgerheinze/
Book: https://dramafreiearbeitswelt.de/
Consulting: https://www.odonovan.de/
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Holger Heinze and His Work
09:30 Understanding Mindset and Change
19:27 The Drama Triangle in Workplace Dynamics
29:21 Navigating Stress and Decision-Making
31:51 Mindset and Culture in Drama Dynamics
37:09 Intervening in Drama: Strategies and Techniques
39:25 Victimhood vs. Empowerment in Life Choices
45:39 Roles in the Empowerment Dynamic
50:20 Changing Organizational Culture and Structures
55:50 Introduction to Consultancy and AI Insights