In Episode 21, Gregg welcomes Marv Goldfried and Paul Wachtel. Both are Distinguished Professors of psychology and leading figures in the psychotherapy integration movement. In this episode, they share with Gregg the story of how they came together and co-founded the Society for the Exploration of Psychotherapy Integration, for which Gregg is the current President Elect. In addition, the three explore whether there is a "common core" that can define psychotherapy and what the future of the field looks like.

Here is a clip where they discuss the founding of SEPI:
https://youtu.be/dACXgGv2DM4

Here is Paul's home page:
https://www.gc.cuny.edu/page-elements/academics-research-centers-initiatives/doctoral-programs/psychology/faculty-bios/paul-wachtel

and here is Marv's:
https://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/psychology/faculty/faculty_profiles/mgoldfried