SPECIAL EPISODE – MINISTER FOR THE FUTURE – PART 2
Mar 22, 2024
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In this podcast, they discuss the shift from capitalism to ecoeconomics on Mars, the urgency of addressing climate crisis, and the challenges of governance in a poly crisis world. They explore utopian societies, climate adaptation, and personal transcendence in the Sierra Mountains.
Mars embraces eco-socialist ideologies for survival, moving away from traditional capitalism.
Optimism exists for combating climate crisis by utilizing global awareness and energy for change.
Deep dives
Transitioning to a New Economic Philosophy on Mars
In this episode, Kim Stanley Robinson discusses transitioning to a new economic philosophy on Mars, focusing on survival and sustainability. The concept of ecoeconomics and eco-poetics is explored, highlighting a communal eco-socialist approach on Mars. Unlike Earth's late-stage capitalism, Mars functions without profits, emphasizing living sustainably and creating their economy.
Economics in 'The Mars Trilogy' vs. 'Ministry for the Future'
Kim Stanley Robinson compares the economic discussions in 'The Mars Trilogy' and 'Ministry for the Future.' 'The Mars Trilogy' envisions a utopian novel set on Mars without a traditional economic structure, focusing on communal eco-socialist ideologies. In contrast, 'Ministry for the Future' addresses real-world history, late global capitalism, and the pressing need to tweak existing systems to combat the climate crisis.
Facing the Reality of a Global Climate Crisis
Discussion leads to the acknowledgment of the global climate crisis and the urgent need to make current economic systems applicable to the pressing environmental issue. 'The Ministry for the Future' highlights the necessity of using existing systems to address the impending dangers posed by continuing on the current course. The focus shifts towards tweaking current systems to ensure a sustainable future.
Hope for the Future
Kim Stanley Robinson expresses optimism for the future, citing the significant efforts being made globally to tackle the poly crisis. Despite the looming threats, there is a collective sense of engagement and action to address climate issues. The growing awareness and energy towards combating the crisis instill hope in the possibility of averting a mass extinction event and creating a positive future by utilizing available tools and resources.
We're back this week with the final part of the amazing interview with world-leading futurist and science fiction legend Kim Stanley Robinson. We delve into generational thinking around economics and why the Martians of KSR's space opera series have largely abandoned capitalism and traditional 20th century industrial thinking. We return to the topic of climate adaptation, and generally discuss the future of human society. Our favorite episode of the year with Brett and Rob hosting.
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