

TBD | The Drone Wars
10 snips May 30, 2025
Jake Epstein, a senior defense reporter for Business Insider, dives into the escalating drone warfare between Ukraine and Russia. He discusses NATO's training for future conflicts emphasizing man versus machine. The podcast highlights the informal environments where Ukrainian workers innovate in drone production, showcasing unexpected military adaptability. Epstein also addresses the transformative impact of drones on strategies and psychological aspects of warfare, revealing how these developments are reshaping global military tactics.
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Drone Production in Kiev Apartment
- Jake Epstein visited an apartment building in Kiev where drones were being produced in a modest, casual setting.
- Workers assembled, tested, and packaged drones in rooms resembling everyday environments rather than traditional factories.
Drones Define Modern Warfare
- Drones have become the weapon of choice in Ukraine due to being cheap, easy to assemble, and effective.
- This conflict shows the future of warfare increasingly involving unmanned systems and drone technology.
FPV Drones as Artillery Substitute
- Ukraine faced artillery shell shortages early in the war and turned to cheap FPV drones as an alternative.
- Soldiers used these commercial-style drones strapped with explosives to attack enemy tanks and fortifications.