How do we help junior people build the right skills to do advanced automation system administration, and actually build systems that are resilient and robust? Then, after understanding that that is a learned skill that's predominantly learned by doing the work, troubleshooting. We started the conversation talking through how to teach troubleshooting and find opportunities for that. But we transformed the discussion into the challenge of teaching people skills that they then walk away with, that, as you're mentoring people, you're increasing their value, and potentially giving them the keys to leave and find a better job. We talked about this as an industry trend, and some expectations on what you can do about it, and how you can approach that situation. Overall a very robust conversation about building great teams, through junior engineers, and what it takes to be thorough and complete in a process like that. Both from what you can do, and what you have to watch out for. Transcript: https://otter.ai/u/cOP6v9HEYv6_YVrrRwA_sxjvNaQ Image:https://www.pexels.com/photo/a-girl-using-binoculars-9290029/