Data Engineering Podcast Adding An Easy Mode For The Modern Data Stack With 5X
Dec 18, 2023
The podcast discusses the challenges of the modern data stack and how 5X is pre-integrating the best tools from each layer to solve these issues. It explores the need for a centralized control plane, strategic investments in data capabilities, and the benefits of consolidating to a single solution. The speaker also shares insights on platform building, simplifying user experience, and lessons learned in introducing a new product category.
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Introduction
00:00 • 2min
The Evolution of the Modern Data Stack
02:21 • 15min
Shifting to a Leaner Data Economy
17:32 • 6min
Challenges of Implementing a Data Platform and Choosing Vendors
23:15 • 3min
Platform Building and Vendor Selection at 5x
26:44 • 2min
Simplifying User Experience and Customizing the IDE
28:56 • 21min
Lessons Learned and Recognition of Product Value
49:35 • 2min
Evaluation of 5x in the Modern Data Ecosystem
51:15 • 4min
Summary
The "modern data stack" promised a scalable, composable data platform that gave everyone the flexibility to use the best tools for every job. The reality was that it left data teams in the position of spending all of their engineering effort on integrating systems that weren't designed with compatible user experiences. The team at 5X understand the pain involved and the barriers to productivity and set out to solve it by pre-integrating the best tools from each layer of the stack. In this episode founder Tarush Aggarwal explains how the realities of the modern data stack are impacting data teams and the work that they are doing to accelerate time to value.
Announcements
- Hello and welcome to the Data Engineering Podcast, the show about modern data management
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- Your host is Tobias Macey and today I'm welcoming back Tarush Aggarwal to talk about what he and his team at 5x data are building to improve the user experience of the modern data stack.
Interview
- Introduction
- How did you get involved in the area of data management?
- Can you describe what 5x is and the story behind it?
- We last spoke in March of 2022. What are the notable changes in the 5x business and product?
- What are the notable shifts in the data ecosystem that have influenced your adoption and product direction?
- What trends are you most focused on tracking as you plan the continued evolution of your offerings?
- What are the points of friction that teams run into when trying to build their data platform?
- Can you describe design of the system that you have built?
- What are the strategies that you rely on to support adaptability and speed of onboarding for new integrations?
- What are some of the types of edge cases that you have to deal with while integrating and operating the platform implementations that you design for your customers?
- What is your process for selection of vendors to support?
- How would you characterize your relationships with the vendors that you rely on?
- For customers who have pre-existing investment in a portion of the data stack, what is your process for engaging with them to understand how best to support their goals?
- What are the most interesting, innovative, or unexpected ways that you have seen 5XData used?
- What are the most interesting, unexpected, or challenging lessons that you have learned while working on 5XData?
- When is 5X the wrong choice?
- What do you have planned for the future of 5X?
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Parting Question
- From your perspective, what is the biggest gap in the tooling or technology for data management today?
Closing Announcements
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- Rudderstack:  Introducing RudderStack Profiles. RudderStack Profiles takes the SaaS guesswork and SQL grunt work out of building complete customer profiles so you can quickly ship actionable, enriched data to every downstream team. You specify the customer traits, then Profiles runs the joins and computations for you to create complete customer profiles. Get all of the details and try the new product today at [dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudderstack](https://www.dataengineeringpodcast.com/rudderstack)
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