11. Israel & Pakistan, Netanyahu & Modi and the not so divine madness of Christian Zionism
May 2, 2024
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The podcast delves into India's elections and Modi's impact on its 200 million Muslims. It compares Netanyahu and Modi and explores the similar histories of Pakistan and Israel. The discussion extends to Christian Zionism's influence on Trump and global politics.
Examining parallels between India-Pakistan and Israel partitions in historical context.
Discussing rise of extreme nationalism in India under Modi's government and impact on minorities.
Critiquing influence of Christian Zionism on US foreign policy and dangers of mixing religion with geopolitics.
Deep dives
History of India-Pakistan Partition and Its Relationship to Israel-Palestine
The discussion delves into the historical context of the India-Pakistan partition, detailing the origins of Hindu nationalism and the creation of Pakistan as a safe haven for Muslims due to fears of Hindu supremacy in a post-colonial India. The parallels are drawn to Israel's creation and the British role in both partitions, highlighting the challenges of drawing boundaries and leaving unresolved tensions.
Role of Extreme Nationalism and Politics in India's Current Climate
The episode examines the rise of extreme nationalism in India, particularly under the BJP government led by Modi, and its impact on minority groups, notably Muslims. The portrayal of grievances, use of anti-Muslim rhetoric, and Hindu nationalist ideology have led to concerns about the treatment of minorities and the influence of extremist views in politics.
Christian Zionism and Its Influence on US Foreign Policy
The discourse shifts to Christian Zionism and its impact on US foreign policy, particularly in relation to Israel. The episode highlights the belief among evangelical Christians in biblical prophecies tied to Israel's security and political decisions influenced by Christian Zionist ideals, such as recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Critique of Religious Influence on Foreign Policy and Need for Secular Governance
The conversation critiques the mixing of religious beliefs with foreign policy decisions, pointing out the dangers of allowing religious interpretations to shape geopolitical actions. The call for secular governance over religious extremism and the need for rational decision-making devoid of magical or apocalyptic beliefs is emphasized.
Cultural Signoff and Language Exchange
The episode concludes with a cultural signoff, showcasing linguistic exchanges between India and Pakistan through phrases like 'satsrikal' for Punjabi farewells. The informative and reflective discussion encapsulates the complexities of religious nationalism, historical partitions, and the importance of rational governance in shaping global relations.
With David in India and Sayeeda heading to Pakistan, they discuss India’s ongoing elections and what they mean for the country's 200 million Muslims. They ask whether Modi and Netanyahu are kindred spirits, and look at Pakistan and Israel’s surprisingly similar history.
After that, they tackle Christian Zionism in the US and how it influences Trump and politics worldwide.