We are now entering the 'test and trace' phase of fighting the pandemic where we could use our smartphones to keep us all safe from a second spike. One UK population has been chosen as guinea pigs for the rest of us to see if it really works: enter the residents of the Isle of Wight.

Guests:

Tom Knowles, Times technology correspondent.

Rosamund Urwin, senior reporter at The Sunday Times.

Rose Hornak, resident on the Isle of Wight.

Bob Seely, Conservative MP for the Isle of Wight.

Host: Manveen Rana.

Clips: NHS, BBC

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Smartphones and the virus: an experiment on the Isle of Wight