Get ready for a thought-provoking conversation with Stephen Roach, former Chief Economist at Morgan Stanley and current Senior Fellow at Yale’s Paul Tsai China Center, as he delves into the deteriorating relationship between China and the US. With his new book "Accidental Conflict: America, China and the Clash of False Narratives", Stephen unravels the narratives that led to this new Cold War and provides a clear path towards interdependency and healthier economies. With his unique perspective and ability to reach policy makers on both sides, Stephen gives us an insight into the complexity of this relationship and how it can be mended. Don't miss out on this insightful discussion.

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Episode TimeStamps:

02:38 - Introduction to Stephen Roach

07:37 - Why are false narratives so prevalent?

12:52 - Stephen's favorite false narrative

17:07 - A dangerous narrative

22:02 - A political backstep?

28:00 - A lack of telecom infrastructure

29:58 - The false narratives of China

40:47 - The fear of containment

45:27 - Potential ways forward

49:15 - The bilateral investment treaty

55:54 - How has Stephen's ideas been received?

57:56 - Thanks for listening

59:13 - Key takeaways from Niels

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