From the Inside Out: With Rivkah Krinsky and Eda Schottenstein Ep. 105: More Than a Dress Code: The True Measure of Modesty with Joyce Azria and Rivky Slonim
Special thanks to Women of Iron Unite for making this episode possible. Founded on October 10th amid the pain of Operation Iron Sword, three courageous women from Crown Heights united to protect Eretz Yisroel by inspiring prayer, unity, and tznius within our community. Organized by Sarale Blau, Rivky Perl, and Ruthie Sperlin, their initiative continues to empower women to take small steps toward growth and holiness even in challenging times.
Modesty (tznius) is one of the most sensitive, often misunderstood topics in the Jewish world. It’s not just about clothing—it’s about identity, confidence, dignity, and connection to something deeper. In this thought-provoking episode of From the Inside Out, we sit down with two incredible guests: Rivky Slonim, a powerhouse in Jewish education, and Joyce Azria, former fashion executive turned modesty advocate. Together, we unravel the layers of tznius—why it’s challenging, what it truly means beyond fabric and rules, and how it can be a source of empowerment rather than restriction.
Joyce shares her journey from the high-fashion world to embracing modesty, revealing the unexpected luxury and confidence it brings. Rivka offers profound insights on what tznius really is (hint: it’s NOT just about covering up) and how it’s deeply tied to self-respect, spirituality, and personal growth. We also explore topics like navigating modesty in professional spaces, finding joy in mitzvos even when they feel hard, and how to inspire the next generation without force or judgment.
Rivkah Slonim is the Associate Director at the Chabad Center for Jewish Student Life at Binghamton University. An internationally known teacher, lecturer, and activist, she travels widely, addressing the intersection of traditional Jewish observance and contemporary life, with a special focus on Jewish women in Jewish law and life. Slonim is the editor of Total Immersion: A Mikvah Anthology and Bread and Fire; Jewish Women find God in the Everyday. Slonim and her husband are the grateful and proud parents of nine children. You can find more from Rivky Slonim here: https://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/1328/jewish/Rivkah-Slonim.htm
Joyce Azria is a fashion and wellness entrepreneur, formerly the Creative Director of BCBGeneration and founder of Avec Les Filles and Amazon’s ROHB. Daughter of the late Max Azria, she grew up in “fashion royalty,” but her journey from Chanel to Shabbat reshaped her approach—shifting from creating value-driven brands to leading with her values as an Orthodox Jewish woman. Now co-founder of The Healer’s Collection, Joyce shares her passion, spirituality, and rich experiences to inspire audiences nationwide. She lives in Miami, Florida, with her children. You can find Joyce at her website here: https://www.joyceazria.com/
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