
Keen On America George Packer's Emergency: When Facts Fail, Turn to Fiction
Dec 12, 2025
George Packer, an award-winning journalist and author of The Emergency, dives into the current political landscape in America. He discusses the alarming shift towards authoritarianism and the erosion of democratic norms. Packer's pivot to fiction aims to illuminate stark realities, drawing inspiration from literary giants like Orwell and Atwood. He explores themes of generational conflict, the impact of technology on humanity, and the dangers of performative politics under Trump. Through engaging insights, he reflects on modern parenting anxieties and the future of society.
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Rapid Institutional Erosion
- George Packer argues America is sliding into authoritarianism with rapid erosion of institutions.
- He warns checks on power are failing because elites acquiesce out of greed, fear, or advantage.
Momentum From Norms Melting Away
- Packer says Trump's descent has been extraordinarily fast, breaking norms and laws at an unprecedented rate.
- He attributes momentum to institutions melting away when pressured, which encourages further transgressions.
Skepticism About Pushback
- Packer is skeptical about recent signs of resistance and fears the Supreme Court will empower Trump.
- He warns elections may be confused or deliberately muddied, threatening free and fair outcomes.
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Intro
00:00 • 2min
Is America in an emergency?
02:00 • 1min
Has America slipped further since Last Best Hope?
03:08 • 2min
Signs of resistance and the Supreme Court
05:08 • 3min
Public opinion and electoral risks
08:00 • 2min
Trump's performative cruelty and ideology
10:00 • 6min
Military loyalty and politicization
16:10 • 3min
Why write a novel now?
18:40 • 4min
The Emergency's structure and themes
22:22 • 5min
A Burkean liberal and parental conservatism
27:12 • 4min
Parenthood, generational revolt, and anxiety
31:39 • 3min
Technology, AI and 'better humans'
34:12 • 3min
Orwell vs Huxley: surveillance and pleasure
36:55 • 2min
Balancing tech critique and inevitability
38:38 • 3min
Writing style and fiction discipline
41:13 • 3min
Literary dinner guests and influences
43:50 • 5min
Future plans and the novel's importance
48:34 • 1min
Outro
49:52 • 51sec

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The Unwinding : An Inner History of the New America


George Packer

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The book, which includes the titular essay first published in Harper's Magazine in 1964, delves into historical examples such as the Anti-Masonic Movement, Father Coughlin's antisemitic conspiracies, and the post-McCarthy Right.
Hofstadter argues that this style is not exclusive to any one side of the political spectrum and has been a recurring theme throughout American history, influencing political discourse and the behavior of individuals and groups.
The book also includes other essays on topics like 'Free Silver and the Mind of 'Coin' Harvey' and 'What Happened to the Antitrust Movement?
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America in Crisis and Renewal


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' Packer explores how these competing visions undermine national unity and address pressing issues.
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Margaret Atwood
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Waiting for the Barbarians


J. M. Coetzee
'Waiting for the Barbarians', by J.M.
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The magistrate begins to question the empire's brutal treatment of suspected 'barbarians'.
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Aldous Huxley
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The novel explores themes of technological advancement, social conditioning, and the loss of individuality and freedom.
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The Long Emergency


James Howard Kunstler
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George Orwell
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The novel is set in a dystopian future where the world is divided into three super-states, with the protagonist Winston Smith living in Oceania, ruled by the mysterious and omnipotent leader Big Brother.
Winston works at the Ministry of Truth, where he rewrites historical records to conform to the Party's ever-changing narrative.
He begins an illicit love affair with Julia and starts to rebel against the Party, but they are eventually caught and subjected to brutal torture and indoctrination.
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Albert Camus
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As the city is placed under quarantine, the citizens face isolation, despair, and eventually, a sense of social responsibility and solidarity.
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George Packer is one of the most celebrated non-fiction writers on contemporary America. So why, in his new book The Emergency, has he turned to fiction? You’d think, after all, that MAGA America’s surrealism would be an ideal nonfictional canvas for a writer with Packer’s observational gifts. But, as Packer explains, when facts fail a society, then - like Orwell or Atwood - a writer might be obliged to turn to fiction. This emergency, then, begot The Emergency.
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