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The Harper’s Podcast

The Doomsday Machine

Jul 3, 2023
51:37

The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ Doomsday Clock has never been closer to midnight, yet the nuclear panic of the 1960s feels like history. Jackson Lears, who served as a naval officer on a nuclear-armed ship during the Cold War, discusses how we have embraced the myth of technological prowess to detach ourselves from the horrors of war. “War is the most unpredictable, least controllable enterprise that human beings are capable of, and yet it’s the one to which we pay the most technological homage,” he writes. 

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* “Behind the Veil of Indifference,” Jackson Lears’s story in the July issue of Harper’s 

* The Doomsday Machine by Daniel Ellsberg

* Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt

* Catch-22 by Joseph Heller

* The Naked and the Dead by Norman Mailer

* 2:35: 9/11 security state and its doomsday undertones

* 6:40: The government has “given up on diplomacy”

* 10:25: Stalin was less demonized than Putin today

* 13:45: “The media is more like a stenographer for the security state now”

* 16:45: “There was genuinely more interest in, curiosity about, and public awareness of the danger of nuclear war in the 1960s.”

* 21:03: Faith in technology allows for a distance between the soldier and the target

* 29:05: “Algorithmic rationality” protects the soldier from the “dreaded human error”

* 37:38: The religiosity of the American military

* 46:15: Assange, Ellsberg, any hope for whistleblowers?



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