
Outrage + Optimism: The Climate Podcast Inside COP: Coal’s Out, Pressure’s On - a pivotal moment for COP30
Nov 18, 2025
Joojin Kim, Founder and CEO of Solutions for Our Climate, discusses South Korea's historic commitment to phase out coal by 2040 and the pressures driving this transformation. Sonia Guajajara, Brazil's Minister for Indigenous Peoples, shares insights on Indigenous diplomacy and the critical role of Indigenous leadership at COP30. The conversation highlights the global implications of transitioning to renewables and recognizes Indigenous land protection as essential to climate solutions. Their perspectives emphasize the urgency and potential of collaborative action in climate negotiations.
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Executive Call To Get Serious
- Simon Stiell urged negotiators to stop tactical delays and confront the hardest issues quickly.
- The speech signalled a shift from performative diplomacy to urgent, results-focused negotiations.
Moral Framing From The Pope
- Pope Francis framed climate action as a moral and solidarity issue for vulnerable people.
- His remarks reinforced the ethical imperative behind diplomatic pressure at COP30.
Four Persistent Negotiation Hotspots
- Four core sticking points persist: finance, transparency, NDC responses, and fossil-fuel transitions.
- These are longstanding issues that will shape the COP's political signals more than textual minutiae.

