Ben Kuipers, emeritus professor of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at the University of Michigan (π, π, π), joins Michael and Dave in a nerdly yet accessible conversation on topics ranging from Good Old-Fashioned AI, to how we understand space and time, to ethics and trust in society, to teaching Dave how to LISP properly in the 1970s.
 [Episode cover based on image used courtesy of Benjamin J. Kuipers]