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What if the most important operating system isn’t digital at all, but human?

We sit down with Louka Perry, a speaker, futurist, strategist, linguist, and creative ddventurer who works globally with education systems, teachers, and leaders. Currently learning his fifth language (Mandarin Chinese), Louka brings both philosophical depth and practical wisdom to questions about learning, identity, and human agency in the age of AI.

In this conversation—what Taylor calls "a palate cleanser" after their previous exploration of zombie democracy—Louka immediately reframes the question of what he does to "who do I try to be in the world?" What unfolds is a rich dialogue about transformation, identity, and cultivating knowledge in an era of exponential technological change.

On Identity and Transformation: Louka challenges fixed professional identities: "The minute I calcify to an identity marker, I'm restricting my own growth." He advocates for seeing ourselves as "activators of learning" rather than locked into roles that may become obsolete, emphasizing that being literate in the 21st century means being willing to unlearn and relearn.

On Knowledge vs. Creation: "I don't think we are in a knowledge economy anymore," Louka observes. "I think we are absolutely in a creation economy." With AI making knowledge accessible, what matters now is "what we do with what we know" and "who am I being as I do things with what I know?"

On AI and the Human Layer: Crystal voices a concern many feel: "AI's taking up the quiet space." This sparks candid discussion about what gets lost when technology fills liminal spaces where genuine thinking happens. Yet Louka emphasizes agency: "Joy is a radical act today. Just to be joyful, just to choose that."

On Community and Third Places: Crystal shares observations from her daily coffee shop visits, watching different generations navigate technology and connection. Some young people leave phones untouched, having organic conversations. Others remain absorbed in screens, disconnected from surroundings. This leads to reflections on what real community looks like as physical third places become increasingly valuable.

On Building a 2030 Vision: When asked to envision the knowledge garden of 2030, Louka gets personal: "Relationships are at the center of my garden." He shares meeting his fiancée by choosing to turn around on a plane and join a conversation rather than plugging into entertainment. "I think the universe rewards people that notice." His vision involves becoming "a local man of community with really significant global community."

Key Themes

Knowledge gardens and learning ecosystems
Identity fluidity vs. calcification
Knowledge economy to creation economy
AI's impact on quiet space and liminal thinking
Joy as radical act
Third places and community in the digital age
Noticing as practice

Mentioned in This Episode

E.O. Wilson on "god-like technologies" • Jonathan Haidt's The Anxious Generation • Harvard Study on Adult Health • Bloom's Taxonomy • "Hidden grammar" in education

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Bonus: 3 GIRLS 1 MIC