Gradually, Then Suddenly | Mark Batterson

Nov 21, 2025

Mark Batterson, bestselling author and lead pastor of National Community Church, explores the transformative power of gradual growth in his conversation. He shares his journey from self-publishing to successful authorship, emphasizing resilience through failures. Mark discusses prayer circles that sparked incredible growth for his church, alongside the importance of leadership culture and lifelong learning. He inspires listeners to embrace long-term vision, highlighting that breakthroughs often come unexpectedly, urging faith in the journey of dreams.

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INSIGHT

The Gradually Then Suddenly Pattern

Progress usually follows a long, slow buildup before a sudden breakthrough.
Mark Batterson calls this pattern "gradually, then suddenly" and ties it to effort and patience.

ANECDOTE

The 20,000-Mile Gold Medal

Rowdy Gaines swam 20,000 miles in training for a 49-second Olympic race.
Batterson uses this to show how years of effort produce brief public triumphs.

ANECDOTE

From A Call At 22 To A Book At 35

Mark felt called to write at 22 but didn't publish until 35 after reading 3,000 books.
His first self-published book sold 3,641 copies before later success.

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On this episode, I sit down with Mark Batterson, my friend, best-selling author, and pastor of National Community Church, for a heartfelt conversation about his inspiring new book, Gradually, Then Suddenly. Together, we unpack powerful themes from Mark Batterson's life and writing, including the importance of embracing gradual growth, the value of long obedience, and trusting that God works through seasons of waiting just as much as in breakthrough moments. You'll hear real stories of dreaming big, failing and starting over, giving generously, and staying humble and hungry, no matter where you are on your journey. Whether you're feeling stuck, facing adversity, or struggling to see the fruit of your hard work, this conversation is a reminder that progress often comes "gradually, then suddenly." You'll walk away encouraged to stay faithful, keep growing, and believe that your own breakthrough might be closer than you think.

About Mark,

Mark Batterson is the New York Times bestselling author of two dozen adult and children's books including Win the Day, Chase the Lion and A Million Little Miracles. His newest book is Gradually Then Suddenly, How to Dream Bigger, Decide Better, and Leave a Lasting Legacy.

More than 10 million of his books are in print in dozens of languages. Mark is also the lead pastor of National Community Church in Washington, D.C. One church with multiple campuses, NCC owns and operates Ebenezers Coffeehouse, the DC Dream Center and the Capital Turnaround—a 100,000-square-foot city block that includes an event venue and child development center. Mark holds a doctor of ministry degree from Regent University. He and his wife, Lora, have been married for 30 years, have three adult children and reside on Capitol Hill. For more information, visit markbatterson.com and Instagram.com/markbatterson & https://twitter.com/markbatterson

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