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Following US Climate Envoy John Kerry's latest remarks on overpopulation, Bertie spoke to Diana Ojeda, Associate Professor in sustainability, environment and development at the Universidad de los Andes' Interdisciplinary Center for Development Studies, about why many scholars and activists are wary of populationist narratives in climate planning.
Audio editing by Vasko Kostovski.
Further reading:
Click here to read our investigation into the UK biomass supply chain, or watch a clip from the BBC Newsnight documentary.