Luisa and Keiran on free will, and the consequences of never feeling enduring guilt or shame

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Sep 27, 2024

In this engaging discussion, Keiran Harris, co-host of 80k After Hours, shares his intriguing insights on free will and the ramifications of experiencing little guilt or shame. Together with Luisa Rodriguez, they explore how these emotions shape morality and personal choices. They ponder whether reduced guilt would lead people to become worse friends or citizens. The conversation also touches on 'jerk syndrome,' the nuances of love beyond agency, and practical tips for navigating heavy emotions with compassion.

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ANECDOTE

Serial Killer Analogy

Kieran initially questioned the concept of free will after watching a documentary about a serial killer.
He likened a serial killer to an alligator, arguing that people wouldn't feel anger towards an alligator for acting on instinct.

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Charles Whitman Case

Kieran discusses the case of Charles Whitman, the clock tower killer, who killed 14 people and himself.
An autopsy revealed Whitman had a tumor pressing on his amygdala, a brain region associated with aggression.

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Tumors All the Way Down

Kieran argues that Charles Whitman's tumor is not unique.
He believes all actions are caused by prior events, effectively "tumors all the way down."

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In this episode from our second show, 80k After Hours, Luisa Rodriguez and Keiran Harris chat about the consequences of letting go of enduring guilt, shame, anger, and pride.

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They cover:

Keiran’s views on free will, and how he came to hold them
What it’s like not experiencing sustained guilt, shame, and anger
Whether Luisa would become a worse person if she felt less guilt and shame — specifically whether she’d work fewer hours, or donate less money, or become a worse friend
Whether giving up guilt and shame also means giving up pride
The implications for love
The neurological condition ‘Jerk Syndrome’
And some practical advice on feeling less guilt, shame, and anger

Who this episode is for:

People sympathetic to the idea that free will is an illusion
People who experience tons of guilt, shame, or anger
People worried about what would happen if they stopped feeling tonnes of guilt, shame, or anger

Who this episode isn’t for:

People strongly in favour of retributive justice
Philosophers who can’t stand random non-philosophers talking about philosophy
Non-philosophers who can’t stand random non-philosophers talking about philosophy

Chapters:

Cold open (00:00:00)
Luisa's intro (00:01:16)
The chat begins (00:03:15)
Keiran's origin story (00:06:30)
Charles Whitman (00:11:00)
Luisa's origin story (00:16:41)
It's unlucky to be a bad person (00:19:57)
Doubts about whether free will is an illusion (00:23:09)
Acting this way just for other people (00:34:57)
Feeling shame over not working enough (00:37:26)
First person / third person distinction (00:39:42)
Would Luisa become a worse person if she felt less guilt? (00:44:09)
Feeling bad about not being a different person (00:48:18)
Would Luisa donate less money? (00:55:14)
Would Luisa become a worse friend? (01:01:07)
Pride (01:08:02)
Love (01:15:35)
Bears and hurricanes (01:19:53)
Jerk Syndrome (01:24:24)
Keiran's outro (01:34:47)

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Producer: Keiran Harris
Audio mastering: Milo McGuire
Transcriptions: Katy Moore