For our fifth episode, Eric speaks with author, pastor, and humanitarian Rudy Rasmus about baptizing Beyonce, pledging allegiance to the flag, and being Black and Christian in Trump's America. With a potent blend of grace and brutal honesty, Rudy reminds Eric of his responsibility to speak out about racism and white supremacy - a reminder that we all need to hear.

Rudy Rasmus co-pastors the St. John’s Church in Downtown Houston with his wife Juanita and is the author of Love. Period.: When All Else Falls. For more about Rudy, check out his website pastorrudy.net.

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