73. From Taboo to Testimony: Technology, Citizen Science, and the Evolution of UAP Research with Leslie Kean, Ryan Graves, and Christine Kim

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Jan 15, 2025

Join investigative journalist Leslie Kean, along with Enigma Labs' Christine Kim and former Navy pilot Ryan Graves, as they dissect the fascinating evolution of UAP research. Christine shares insights on data from over 28,000 civilian sightings, while Ryan provides first-hand accounts of military and commercial pilot encounters. The trio explores how technology and citizen science are reshaping our understanding of these mysterious phenomena, emphasizing the shift from stigma to serious inquiry in the pursuit of truth.

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ANECDOTE

Leslie Kean's UAP Journey

Leslie Kean's investigation began in 1999 with a French report, the COMETA Report.
The report concluded that the extraterrestrial hypothesis was the most likely explanation for UAPs, inspiring her work.

INSIGHT

Evolving UAP Definition

In 2010, Leslie Kean's book focused on proving UAPs' physical reality.
Today, UAP understanding has broadened, encompassing various phenomena beyond extraterrestrial craft.

ADVICE

Overcoming Stigma

To overcome stigma in innovation, use subtle language to mask radical ideas, or embrace full transparency.
Collective acknowledgement amplifies impact and reduces individual risk.

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The landscape of UAP research has transformed dramatically over the past two decades from a taboo topic to congressional testimony. In this pivotal episode, pioneering investigative journalist Leslie Kean bridges past discoveries with current developments, including the latest wave of mass sightings across multiple states. Featuring crucial insights from former Navy pilot Ryan Graves and Enigma Labs' Christine Kim, this conversation reveals how civilian science, military observation, and professional investigation converge to understand these mysterious phenomena.

Highlights:

Leslie Kean shares how she broke the UFO story in the Boston Globe (2000) and the historical challenges of reporting on UAP
Discussion of current mass sightings across multiple states, with detailed analysis of patterns and characteristics
Ryan Graves provides perspective on commercial pilot reports and military observations
Enigma Labs reveals data from 28,000+ civilian sightings, discussing patterns in recent mass sighting events
Exploration of how UAP research has evolved from individual sightings to systematic investigation
Analysis of current challenges in tracking and identifying unexplained aerial phenomena
Discussion of the intersection between civilian reporting, military investigation, scientific research, and technological advancement

This episode offers essential context for understanding one of today's most significant scientific mysteries, combining historical perspective with breaking developments in UAP research and observation.

Join us for this exceptional discussion.

Featured Guests

Leslie Kean - Pioneering Investigative Journalist, New York Times Bestselling Author

Ryan Graves - Former Navy Fighter Pilot, Executive Director of Americans for Safe Aerospace

Christine Kim - Head of Marketing, Enigma Labs

Co-Hosts

Anna Brady-Estevez, Co-Chair US Interagency Space Economy & Advanced Manufacturing Working Groups

Larry Forsley, Chief Technology Officer of Global Energy Corporation

Dyan Finkhousen, CEO of Shoshin Works; Ecosystemic Model Advisor for NASA and Space Force

Series Hosts

Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center

Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works