Campus protests and the debate on the limits of free speech; Former Israeli ambassador Michael Oren on Israel’s looming ground operation in Rafah; Former Trump aide Matt Pottinger on US-China relation and more
Apr 29, 2024
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Former Israeli ambassador Michael Oren and former Trump aide Matt Pottinger discuss campus protests, free speech limits, Israel's ground operation in Rafah, US-China relations, and Mexican border violence. The episode delves into the complexities of free speech on college campuses amidst threats of violence and the implications of phrases like 'from the river to the sea.'
College protests highlight free speech limits and US role in conflicts.
US-China relations debate advocates for more confrontational approach towards China.
Deep dives
The Changing Dynamics of College Campuses
The podcast explores the evolving atmosphere on college campuses, reflecting a broader societal shift towards disconnection and polarization. Highlighting a Wall Street Journal article, it discusses how modern college students experience higher levels of loneliness, decreased engagement, and reduced resilience compared to predecessors. The loss of community is linked to heightened distrust, sharper disagreements, and increased anger among students, fostering an environment where protests and disagreements lack the civil discourse seen in the past.
Decline in Social Capital Across America
The discussion delves into the decline of social capital, emphasizing how it impacts not only college campuses but also broader American society. Drawing insights from Robert Putnam's work in 'Bowling Alone,' it reflects on the shift towards private leisure activities, reducing communal interactions and weakening community bonds. Changes in societal structures, such as the disappearance of traditional communal spaces like local businesses and churches, contribute to this fragmentation, echoing the broader theme of social alienation in the US.
Challenges at Columbia University
The episode shifts its focus to ongoing campus protests at Columbia University, exploring differing perspectives on free speech and intimidation. Amid debates over the handling of protests, the conversation between Bruce Robbins and Brett Stevens highlights tensions surrounding calls for police intervention and concerns about anti-Semitism. Disagreements emerge regarding the characterization of protesters and the boundaries between free speech and conduct that incites fear or discomfort on campus.
US-China Relations and Strategic Goals
The discussion pivots towards US-China relations, presenting contrasting views on strategic approaches towards China. Matthew Pottinger critiques the Biden administration's approach, advocating for a containment strategy akin to Cold War policies towards the Soviet Union. Insights reveal a push for a stance that addresses the competition between democracies and totalitarian regimes, emphasizing the need to recognize China's ambitious goals amidst complex geopolitical dynamics.
Today on the show, as college campuses are embroiled in protests against Israel’s war in Gaza, Fareed hosts a spirited debate with New York Times columnist Bret Stephens and Columbia University professor Bruce Robbins. They discuss the limits of free speech and the US’s role in the war.
Then, former Israeli ambassador to the US Michael Oren joins the show to talk to Fareed about the looming ground operation in Rafah, and what Israel’s war with Hamas will look like in the long term.
Next, Matt Pottinger, former deputy national security adviser under President Trump, tells Fareed why he thinks the Biden administration ought to adopt a more confrontational approach to relations with China.
Finally, Fareed talks to Ieva Jusionyte, author of “Exit Wounds,” about the American guns that are crossing into Mexico and their role in perpetuating the cycle of violence on the southern border.
GUESTS: Bruce Robbins (@BruceRobbins6), Bret Stephens, Michael Oren (@DrMichaelOren), Matt Pottinger, Ieva Jusionyte (@ievaju)